The Steamboat Pilot & Today

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 14, 2008 at 5:57 p.m.
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http://www.latimes.com/news/science/envi…
Mary Ruckelshaus, a federal biologist with the Northwest Fisheries Science Center in Seattle, has been running climate models to peer into the future for Pacific Northwest salmon. Those models predict that salmon will become extinct without aggressive efforts to preserve the clear, cool streams needed for spawning, such as planting trees to shade streams and curtailing the amount of water siphoned off by farmers……..

and the beat goes on……………

spukomy (anonymous)
June 15, 2008 at 12:29 a.m.
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“A complete list of things caused by global warming.”
http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.ht…

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 15, 2008 at 10:51 a.m.
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spunky
ignore at your own (or your children's) risk.
ignorance is bliss…………

spukomy (anonymous)
June 16, 2008 at 12:52 a.m.
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It's hard to ignore considering the media is shoving it down my throat everyday. In the end it's just weather. It changes. I have never heard of anywhere that has, or had, the same, consistant weather for years on end.

And the media doesn't stop at the warm weather, they blame cold weather on climate change also. Did you see the snow in Bagdad?
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5huPk…

justathought (anonymous)
June 16, 2008 at 8:37 a.m.
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spukomy, there is no such thing as “global warming” anymore, they changed it to “climate change” when global warming didn't fit the pattern. I guess when we choose to use common sense and believe the scientists that are disagreeing with Gore and the media, we're blissfully ignorant, but I'd rather be labeled ignorant than just plain stupid like the naive Gore followers believing they're going to change the climate by taking away peoples grocery bags.

424now (anonymous)
June 17, 2008 at 2:32 p.m.
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Folks,

The climate changes, the planet warms, the planet cools. To debate this is a never ending cycle of finger pointing and bad science funded by special interest.

Clean the streams, air, dirt, and the area immediately out side the atmosphere… Do this because a clean earth is a healthy earth.

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 18, 2008 at 2:29 p.m.
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the thing you all seem to forget (or ignore) is that even though the earth goes through these cycles throughout its history, this is the first time that we have had a climate shift when there are 6,000,000,000 humans on the planet feasting on its resources and belching out their waste to plug into the equation.
if anything will tip the scales it will be, as the Dow Chemical commercial says, “the human element”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbpuSPL-F…

spukomy (anonymous)
June 18, 2008 at 11:56 p.m.
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SBC, So if I'm following your logic correctly, we should get rid of the humans. Can we start with Gore?

justathought, I wonder if the progression will be from Global Warming>Climate Change>Weather.

justathought (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 10:23 a.m.
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spukomy, makes sense and I have to believe that once Gore has enough people reacting to “the sky is falling” he'll move on to bigger and better things like “eating meat is causing alien invasions” and as soon as he convinces everyone to save the planet by going vegetarian we will be eating up all of our fuel…. oh my God, “the sky is falling”, AGAIN.

JazzSlave (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 11:26 a.m.
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Excerpted from a letter to the editor in the New York Post:

Look over the descriptions of the following two houses, and see if you can tell which one belongs to an environmentalist.

HOUSE # 1:

A 20-room mansion (not including 8 bathrooms) heated by natural gas. Add on a pool (and a pool house) and a separate guest house all heated by gas. In one month alone this mansion consumes more energy than the average American household in an entire year. The average bill for electricity and natural gas runs over $2,400.00 per month. In natural gas alone (which last time we checked was a fossil fuel), this property consumes more than 20 times the national average for an American home. This house is not in a northern or Midwestern “snow belt,” either. It’s in the temperate South.

HOUSE # 2:

Designed by an architecture professor at a leading national university, this house incorporates every “green” feature current home construction can provide. The house contains only 4,000 square feet (4 bedrooms) and is nestled on arid high prairie in the American southwest. A central closet in the house holds geothermal heat pumps, which draw ground water through pipes sunk 300 feet into the ground. The water (usually 67 degrees F) heats the house in winter and cools it in summer. The system uses no fossil fuels such as oil or natural gas, and it consumes 25% of the electricity required for a conventional heating/cooling system. Rainwater from the roof is collected and funneled into a 25,000 gallon underground cistern. Wastewater from showers, sinks and toilets goes into underground purifying tanks and then into the cistern. The collected water then irrigates the land surrounding the house. Flowers and shrubs native to the area blend the property into the surrounding rural landscape.

HOUSE # 1 (20-room energy guzzling mansion) is outside Nashville, Tennessee. It is the abode of that renowned environmentalist (and filmmaker) Al Gore.

HOUSE # 2 (model eco-friendly house) is on a ranch near Crawford, Texas. Also known as “the Texas White House,” it is the private residence of the President of the United States, George W. Bush.

424now (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 2:53 p.m.
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snort, snicker, cough…. hehe, bwaaa ha ha ha ha heh heh he hahaha aha aha hah!

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 5:13 p.m.
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to bad Bushie and his oil connected cronies in the White House have had absolutely no energy policy for the country for the last 8 years.
the reason he has alternative energy in his house is that he knew in advance that his blundering non policy would lead to $150 oil.

spunky
well a couple of billion less people would certainly decrease the old carbon footprint.
but lets start with Rush Windbag and Ann Coulter.
and if they are all put in a huge pit at the same time and buried in about 30000 years, voila, you got about a billion barrels of oil.
thats called return on investment.

just
OK just to please you
you're ignorant.

424now (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 5:22 p.m.
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Come on conscience I had ta laugh at that one. Anyways I would like drop this link into the bucket.

http://www.steamboatpilot.com/news/2008/…

If this is the result of global warming my family & friends will be here for every Christmas

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 19, 2008 at 6 p.m.
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sigh……….
just because the earth is getting warmer, doesnt mean that its gonna stop snowing, or normally cold places are going to become tropical.
did you ever think that a rise in the temperature of the oceans creates more evaporation which produce more clouds which when they travel over our little isolated valley, thats still pretty cold in the winter, would produce a lot more snow than usual?
its all about the changes occurring in ocean currents, and the change in temperature and salinity caused by fresh water from glaciers melting. to totally dismiss that these changes are happening because you think Al Gore is a fool, (or you're jealous cause he has a 20 room house), means that you are ignorant, mores the pity.
and as I said
ignorance is bliss……..
so dont worry
be happy!

JazzSlave (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 6:01 a.m.
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The economies of China & India are exploding. We haven't built a single refinery in this country in over 30 years, and our population has grown by over 100 million since. When a Republican congress tried to open up domestic drilling (offshore & ANWR) 12 years ago, a Democrat president vetoed it. When a Repbulican president tries to open up domestic drilling this year, a Democrat congress will prevent it from happening. Worldwide demand exceeds worldwide supply ( http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/internationa… , http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/ipsr/t21.xls… ), which couldn't possibly have anything to do with the price of oil.

It's all Bush's fault!

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 10:15 a.m.
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the publicans controlled the white house and congrease fromn 1998 to 2006
and why didnt they do anything then except piss in the wind? except balloon our deficit to 9 trillion and allow our financial system to methodically rape the American public.
yeah it IS all Bush's fault ( with a little help from his friends)

JazzSlave (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 10:49 a.m.
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steamboatsconscience:

NOBODY has done anything - Nixon, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Clinton, W; nor a single Congressional session for the last 40 years. There's plenty of blame to go around.

It is the left, however, that has deliberately imposed barriers to developing our own domestic reserves - as opposed to the right, which has simply looked the other way & hoped the problem would solve itself.

It is the left that will keep W from implementing his new domestic drilling initiatives; it is the the left that will prevent McCain (in the unlikely event that he wins) from implementing his 40 new nuclear power plants proposal.

It's taken half a century to get where we are. Putting it all in Bush's lap spotlights a breathtaking (but unsurprising) ignorance of current events and recent history.

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 12:10 p.m.
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oil since Baby Bush took office
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Oil_P…
and that chart dont even show the last 3 months
from around $30 to $135
about 450% increase
tell me what other administration has had that high a percentage move?
EVER?
(when oil was cheap then yes it was easy to ignore, exploration and drilling wasnt economically feasible)
everything Bush says about solving the problems is just political rhetoric and he can now pass the buck.
and now Congrease wants to nationalize refineries
http://www.foxnews.com/urgent_queue/inde…
(I never said Democrats were smart, all politicians are basically pandering idiots, its just a matter of degree)in the print edition of the paper are a couple articles on the global warming (24A and 29A) as well as one on where people think of where Bush's policies have led us (27A)
they're short so they shouldnt challenge your attention span.

steamboatsconscience (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 12:30 p.m.
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I will give Bush credit for saying he will veto the idiotic mortgage bailout bill.
I aint gonna pay for the greed of others

JazzSlave (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 1:08 p.m.
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steamboatsconscience:

Supply & demand. It's that simple. Is W responsible for the demands China & India are exerting on supply? Is he accountable for 100 million more Americans since the last time we did anything to ramp up our own capacities? How do you propose that supply be improved? W says we should drill for more. What do you suggest?

On the other hand, if you're a congregant in the Church of Global Warming, you should be delighted at the current pricing. The tree-hugging left has been clamoring for decades that we impose punitive taxes on petroleum to suppress consumption by the great unwashed.

Most scientists agree that we are decades - not months or years - decades - removed from being able to wave goodbye to a petroleum fueled economy. So I'll ask again: how do you suggest we address insufficient supplies to meet the current demand? You're going to have to do better than mainstream media opinion polls.

Newt Gingrich & Terry Maple have made some interesting recommendations: instead of taxing, regulating, & bureaucracratizing the issue, make government a relevant partner with the private sector in the search for non-petroleum alternatives. They argue it's worth jumping into a market-based approach. They suggest that vigorous govt tax incentives, combined with private & public prizes for innovation have a good chance of stimulating the kinds of new technologies necessary to cut our umbilical with the tinpot dictators who control most of the world's oil. A $1 billion prize would be a powerful incentive for the brainiacs to get busy moving us towards a hydrogen economy.

That's the most interesting proposal I've heard from anyone on either side of the issue. If Obama or anyone on the left has anything to offer beyond rhetoric, I'm all ears.

spukomy (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 5:33 p.m.
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Jazz, bullseye.

The Census Bureau is now estimating the Earth will have 7 Billion people on it by 2012. Now is the time to drill here. We're way behind the 8 ball, but it's not too late.

424now (anonymous)
June 20, 2008 at 6:31 p.m.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjnvSQuv-…

spukomy (anonymous)
June 21, 2008 at 1:34 a.m.
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An hour ago I was so happy it got me worried.

Now, not so much.

JazzSlave (anonymous)
June 23, 2008 at 12:17 p.m.
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Jonah Goldberg nails it, as usual: http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NDJ…
“When they [the left] want to seem mainstream, anti-carbon crusaders insist that we must achieve “energy independence” to “end our addiction on Middle Eastern oil.”

This makes it sound like their real motive is common sense or national security. We’re not anti-oil, we just don’t want to fund our enemies. That sounds reasonable, and it is a legitimate position — it’s just not the one they actually hold.

If energy independence were their real goal, not only would oil, coal, and nuclear be on the table, but you’d hear more lamentations about our “addiction” to Canadian oil — a bigger source than Saudi Arabia.

Instead we are treated to an endless stream of intellectual jibber-jabber and nonsensical argy-bargy. We need to be energy independent, but we can’t use the energy sources we have. We need to switch to ethanol fast, but we can’t import cheaper ethanol from Brazil. We must increase gas taxes to wean ourselves from fossil fuels, but when gas prices go up for any other reason, it’s a crisis, even a crime. We’re told we’ll get nowhere drilling our way to independence or lower prices, as if windmills will do the job (stop laughing).”